It’s good that you’re recruiting your readers to police the existing stories; a huge task. However, the term Lolita has come to mean a preteen girl that initiates sexual contact. The way i read the suggested solution is that the term will apply to a preteen boy also. That could be confusing to a reader. What about coming up with a new term to deal with that? How about Boylita?

I urge you to leave “age of consent” out of the description of the codes. It is confusing due to the different ages in different places. Simply saying “13 or lower” is crystal clear.

I agree, just put in the age “13″ and not the wording “age of consent”.

I think this is a good thing for the site! This way, people who get offended by those kind of stories have the option to not see them. I already had it set this way in my account and that excludes a little more than 10% of the stories on the site. (2590 excluded out of 25679)

I think there should be a new code, as well, for the more extreme pedo content. There’s a world of difference between a story containing a 13yo having sex with a 16yo, and a story with a 40yo having sex with a 9yo (or younger).

As to Switch’s comment: how could a reader be confused about the age of a character as stated in the story? (Yes, they might flag something as ‘pedo’ that more properly should get ‘lolita’, and in such cases there might be an issue.)

Just so you know, the stupid Conservative Party in power in Canada changed the age of consent from 14 to 16…….

Ok
while this sound’s like a solution … I need to point out it’s not.

There has been a lot of problems just with the scoring system
with some users just scoring story’s or story’s by authors they don’t like
with all 1s to bring down scores ….

Adding a link at the end sound good at first but by adding a link at the end of each story for readers to report missing codes your opening the system for a lot of
abuse and will have to have some one review each story that gets flaged/reported
to make sure.

Also what about those storys that the author dosen’t code or holds back coding durring the starting chapters to keep from giving away the plot or story in some way ?
also like BK says i can see that you will need to expand the pedo coding in to various sub sections/genders to make sure it’s actualy covered.

While i don’t read these type storys my self i can see problems ahead in this

I can see a lot screaming it’s censorship…where it’s actualy not …it’s filtering
Said filter like a lot of Filters for Spam and stuff it may actualy end up Filtering out
storys that are not actualy pedo storys but come close by the wide standards currently being defined for use.

I’m sure i’m not getting my point across corectly but someone else might understand
what I’m saying
Guess thats why I’m not an author or editor =)

Phantom

As much as I can see this being a nightmare… I think the ‘report missing codes’ should store the account ID of the person using it. If subsequent reviews of said individual’s reports shows that the tool is being abused, disable it for that reader. How many times inappropriately flagging a story occurs before it’s considered ‘abuse’ might be up for argument, but…

As to authors not fully coding stories – for ANY reason – they are fucktards who deserve no concern. Almost invariably, such writers are merely attempting to mislead readers who are squicked by the author’s preferred content into reading a story with such content. Or the author is misleading himself. (B.O.B. tried it once, claiming that the story would be ‘given away’ by the codes. I’d dispute that the story wasn’t predictable, even with the codes withheld… but some people who don’t like incest, etc. might have read a story they’d otherwise have avoided, until they figured out the ‘twist’.)

What should those of us who have posted stories that fall under this new code do? I have posted 25 stories. I believe 5 are coded Ped. Several others have the Mf or Mg code. There are a couple that are a bit ambiguous that I didn’t code for one reason or another. In most cases the age of the characters is stated near the start of the story.

I never intended to fool anyone. I place warnings at the start of my stories but not all of them would stop readers I guess.

What do I need to do?

Uncle Sky

Now all we have to do is reduce the number of pedo stories here while increasing others. There are still far too many such pieces on this website.

Question is, how do we do that?

Black knight says “There’s a world of difference between a story containing a 13yo having sex with a 16yo, and a story with a 40yo having sex with a 9yo (or younger).” That’s absolutely true, but i think the type of person who finds the latter squickish will also find the former squickish. They have a knee-jerk reaction to anything involved ‘young’, so for SOL purposes we probably do only need one code to embrace the two. Too many codes just gets messy anyway.

Very good work those changes make it very easy to code and identify what’s happening. The issue will be the checking and recoding of the older stories, but that should be mostly handled by the authors – hopefully. With the codes the way they are now, it enables an author to mention a 12 year old character as a boy or gi, but the lack of the pedo or lolita code tells you there is no sex with them, while the inclusion of the pedo or lolita code tells you their is.

The only remaining point I can think of, is a clear statement on the definitions pages is that the sexual contact refers to sex on center stage or well detailed. By this, I mean, the scene is described as it happened or recounted in detail – even a straight “He undressed her and they fucked” would qualify as on center stage. But sex off stage shouldn’t count, so a statement like “The poor thing, she was raped when only ten,” that simple scene setting comment should require it, but should a detailed description of the sex appear – it would.

pennysworth Said:
“Now all we have to do is reduce the number of pedo stories here while increasing others. There are still far too many such pieces on this website.

Question is, how do we do that?”

If you can navigate around the site without ever seeing the “pedo” labeled stories. I don’t see why you should worry about such things.

Go back to Lazeez’s earlier blog and you’ll find that I brought up this topic. That while changing codes and allowing category exclusions and such would allow those who don’t want to see them, to avoid them, it will not cut down on the number of authors writing and posting such stories.

I’m afraid the only way this specific problem will end will be when readers stop reading it, when Lazeez bans it on the site and a whole league of authors leave the site for somewhere else or when, you, and those who believe like you, become so disgusted that these stories continue to be written and posted and choose to leave. You can not change what I choose to write and I doubt you will have much luck changing what other author’s choose to write and publish here.

I wish you luck, and encourage the idea, of going out and finding authors who can and will write something besides pedo. I am a firm believer in having as many authors as possible posting as wide a variety of stories as possible.

Good luck.

The changes solve one problem – they do NOT solve the problem of being associated with pedo stories – whether we read them or not. Given the changes in laws in most countries (and those planned) the decision has to be made soon as to whether anyone (reader, submitter, host etc) is prepared to be tarred by the brush of being involved in pedo (simply by downloading the list of stories).

WRT to tags, I mentioned it before, and I will mention it again now because this makes the changig of ANY tags absolutely meaningless – just WHERE are the definitions of tags explained on the site? There is nowehere on the main page of http://storiesonline.net/home.php that allows you to see what the tags actually mean.

However, until tags are enforced for ALL stories then – again – they become meaningless. Two new stories posted 4 days ago (Holy Love – tags rape violent and Pats – tags true) give no real indication of what they contain indivudal wise. If you have a system, enforce it or stop the stories from being posted. Especially when tags do not accurately describe what is in the series (not just the current chapter).

And then keep your fingers crossed that the government in your area doesn’t have any laws available to it to work backwards along the chain of downloads to their source!

Ouch. Three of my most popular stories just earned the “Pedo” code because they have 13-year-old characters in them? I started looking through my stories intending to do the recoding quickly and easily, but now I’m wondering what will happen with those three in particular if I add that pedo code. I take enough 1′s as it is, you know? Stories that are sitting in two or three hundred reader libraries, particularly the in-progress stories “Babymaker” and “Girl Fag” …I didn’t start writing those as pedo stories by the definition for pedo that I’ve become most familiar with (preteen, 12 years or less) and I wouldn’t have written the characters as 13 year olds if SOL had these new definitions in place…I’d have made them 14 Seriously.

Um…I didn’t expect this and I realize you can define codes any way you need to, Lazeez, but…Ouch! It isn’t the definition that bothers me, I can work within it easily enough in the future, but I don’t want to code “Babymaker” or “25 Pairs” or “Girlfag” as pedo. I’m not sure the average person will be willing to open a story coded pedo without knowing if he’s getting a 13yo or a 6yo. I’d read a story with a 13yo in it, obviously, and so would a large number of my readers, but how many would open that same story with the pedo code attached to it?

I’m really in a quandary as to what I want to do. I’ll probably blog about it and see what sort of feedback I get, but my first reaction is to protect the stories by pulling them. Couldn’t you just divide it like “Pedo” = age nine and below; “Preteen” = 10-12 years; and “teen” = 13-17 years? Something like that? Are you sure you want to add several hundred (or thousand?) more pedo stories to the site by virtue of a change in the definition? Gosh. I feel for you, I really do, but I didn’t expect this.

rache
aka – the fucktard

I probably should not post this but I always did have a problem with speaking my mind, and it has cost me in the past. and Lazeez if you think this will cause to many problems feel free to delete it and it wont offend me.

after reading some of the responses on this and the previous thread concerning Pedo stories I have come to a conclusion if you are afraid that the police are going to arrest you for coming to this site because it has topics that may be illegal in your area you have two options use the following link http://www.killdisk.com/eraser.htm , the program conforms to DOD and NSA standards and totally wipes your hard drive reload and never come to SOL again or take your chances and keep reading your choice, because Lazeez is not your Mama and is not responsible for you. Lazeez only has to make sure that he does not violate the laws were he lives not were you live.

Fact in 17 of the 50 U.S. states it is a crime to have oral sex, in the state of Georgia the punishment is no less than 1 year but no more than 20 years jail time.

I don’t understand the arbitrary 13/14 age line. It sounds just like governments the world over placing arbitrary lines in the sand where they don’t exist in real life.

You are guilty now of creating Literotica Jr. here.

Pedo is defined in medical texts as interest of an adult in pre-pubescents. Throwing an arbitrary age or 14 on puberty is insulting to everyone.

EzzyB

I’m not opposed to the new method of coding but I think that boy/girl codes should break at the 12 not 13 mark. I think that an under thirteen group should include that coding not 13 and under. That also lines up with movie ratings like PG-13.

I have one additional comment. When I write, I often include “References” to past behavior, not that anything explicit is said, but it is referenced as action that took place when the characters were “Younger” and under the age barrier. So, just by reference, should the boy/girl code be included even if the main characters are say in their 20′s and background information is included?

I’m good with the proposed solution, assuming that the problem is people not wanting to see stories about pedophilia and not people believing that such stories shouldn’t be available whether they are exposed to them or not.

I also got curious about what we’re actually talking about, so I did some googling. I’m not a lawyer, so this information is presented on a “for what it’s worth” basis.

What is pedophilia? Pedophilia is defined as: Over a period of at least six months, recurrent intense sexual urges and sexually arousing fantasies involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 or younger). [The link offers some complications with the definition.]
http://members.shaw.ca/pdg/pedophilia_is_defined.html

The important part of this definition is that it relates to *adult* sexual interest in prepubescent children. Thus, boy-girl interaction or teenage coming-of-age stories are not pedophilia.

Are fiction stories about pedophilia considered child pornography?
No. In the United States and most other worldwide jurisdictions, fictional stories about child sex and child sexual abuse are not legally considered Child Pornography and carry no penalties for making, distributing or collecting. (answers.com)

I wouldn’t consider answers.com to be authoritative about much of anything, but I think this answer is right.

US Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 110 Section 2256(8) defines child pornography as any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct… [subsections provide details of "visual depiction"].

Apparently the US considers only *visual depictions* of minors to be child pornography; written fiction is not.

The people who don’t like to read about kids–anybody under the age of 18, say–experimenting with each other sexually are welcome to their tastes–but that isn’t pedophilia, so filtering on just boy and gi may be casting too wide a net.

I’d prefer if the boy/gi codes were <13, not <14. There's a distinct impression in most people's heads about a teenager versus a pre-teen. Mentally, I see a pre-teen a whole lot differently than a teen.

It's painful enough to have the story codes change their meaning after there are more than 25K stories on the site. Some folks are going to be downright upset to see their work (authors) or favorite stories (readers) suddenly classified as pedo because an age marker moved. Moving 1 year is a little less painful than the 2 year move you have proposed.

As for age of consent, if you aren't sure, you can see your local or country's correct level here: http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm

You should also filter the snuff, religious, and bdsm also.

Thank goodness! I got an email from rache that things were about to blow up here over the pedo issue. I’m glad to see that calmer heads have pervailed. I think the proposed change adjusting the pedo code definition to twelve or younger is about the best of all possible solutions. There will still be a few persons who bitch about it, of course, but I think that change identifies what is the most objectionable material for the majority of readers while still allowing our favorite authors plenty of latitude to do serious writing, and without eliminating the acknowledged classics; especially the many cherished “coming of age” and “teen years” stories that regularly score so highly here and that have historically had such consistently high download counts.

My one suggestion would be: if you are adding a link to the end of all stories to allow reporting of missing codes, that you limit the ability to report missing codes to premium members; with the clear understanding that abuse of the priviledge might result in the cancellation of their paid membership. Attaching a financial risk to the reporting function should limit the drive-by misuse of this priviledge from visiting over-zealous moralists (typically, I suspect, people without a paid account) and the apocryphal jealous or over-competetive authors who have to earn their accounts.

I am much happier now and I appreciate your decision. I think drawing a line between 12 and 13 is a better choice for your site and especially for me. heh! You have my personal, sincere gratitude. I’d celebrate by breaking into a song, but I have the unpleasant duty of admitting I’m a moron in a different forum. You’d think I’d be used to that after all these years.

best always,
rache

As far as I’m concerned, Lazeez does one Hell of a job running this site and the easiest way for her to handle complainers is to simply remove their access to SOL.

There are a number of categories that I personally do not care for; snuff, torture, beastiality, BDSM, pain, you get the idea. I don’t care for rape as a main subject, but sometimes, it just may be in the plot as a setup for the rest of the story – then it is acceptable to me – same goes for violence.

I read basically read only what turns ME on. That which doesn’t, I ignore.

Some individuals, among whom “pennyworth” has apparently placed him/her self, are the ones that wish to censor what others may read while being too unintelligent to avoid stories with codes that upset them.

While I do agree that an occasional story may be miscoded or lack all appropriate codes, when I run into a part that is not acceptable to me, I simply return to the index page and look for something else, and I believe that anyone that has the intelligence to “surf the web” should have at least a full compliment of functioning brain cells.

Just my rant and humble opinion on the subject.

gl1200a